Talk:Toronto

Frequently asked questions

Please change the mayor to reflect the results of the latest mayoral election.

We only change the mayor once the mayor begins holding office, which is generally a few days after the election.

Please change the population figure to the latest available figure. The City website shows this figure. Statistics Canada shows this estimated figure.

We only use population figures from the latest official census per WP:CANPOP. We do not accept any other source, not from the city, and not from Statistics Canada estimates. However, WP:CANPOP is revised to permit estimated figures from Statistics Canada such that they can be added in the Estimated Population parameter of the infobox but cannot replace the official figures.

Please change the status of the capital of Canada such that Toronto is its capital.

Sorry, but Ottawa is the capital of Canada and has been the case since the country's confederation on July 1, 1867. See here: https://www.ontario.ca/page/about-ontario

Please change the status of the capital of Ontario such that Toronto is not its capital but this city is.

Sorry, but Toronto is the capital of Ontario since the country's confederation on July 1, 1867, as well as the capital of all of the predecessors of Ontario since the city's establishment in 1793 when the settlement was known as York; York was renamed Toronto upon the city's incorporation. See here: https://www.ontario.ca/page/about-ontario

Infobox montage

Toronto
City (single-tier)
City of Toronto
nanpx Skyline of downtown Toronto and the CN Tower nanpx Ontario Legislative Building nanpx Old City Hall nanpx Toronto Sign and City Hall nanpx Yonge–Dundas Square and Eaton Centre nanpx Royal Ontario Museum nanpx Scarborough Bluffs

I propose changing two of the images in the infobox montage as shown on the right. The Humber Bay Arch Bridge and Casa Loma are replaced with Old City Hall and Dundas Square. I believe that the last two are both more notable than the first two and are more appropriate to include in a collection of seven photographs of the city. Old City Hall is a very important landmark, being the city hall for over 60 years and a National Historic Site of Canada. Also, it is visibly a prominent part of city located in downtown, unlike Casa Loma. Yonge–Dundas Square is much more notable than the Humber Bay Arch Bridge. Tens of millions of people travel through, work at or visit Dundas Square every year and it is adjacent to the Toronto Eaton Centre, which is the busiest mall in the entire continent and is the most visited tourist attraction in Toronto. Meanwhile, the Humber Bay Arch Bridge is not nearly as important or notable. While it is a great work, it is relatively obscure; the Wikipedia article about it only receives a few dozen views a day. I believe that these changes are important to showcase important landmarks in the city, and I am proposing this because consensus is required to change them. If there are any higher-quality images, please suggest them. I was considering using this one because it looks so cool in the infobox but if you actually look at the subject of the photo...it's a little weird. Cyrobyte (talk) 06:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I have some reservations about including Old City Hall in the montage itself, largely because it would result in 3/7 images being governmental/institutional landmarks, two of which are municipal govt. Prominence alone sholdn't be the deciding factor, as balancing of the types of landmarks we choose to portray also needs to be considered, so it isn't to heavy on a certain type.

That said, with regards to Casa Loma, it’s worth noting that it is also a National Historic Site and a culturally significant landmark in its own right. It has strong local recognition and historical value, which is likely why its Wiki article sees higher viewer traffic compared to most (if not all) historic Toronto landmark articles.

All in all though, going back to balance, I think we need to keep in mind that this article is about the entirety of the city of Toronto, not just downtown Toronto, and its montage should reflect that. The fact that Casa Loma isn’t "visibly a prominent part of city located in downtown" is, in my view, one of the stronger reasons for retaining it (on top of the traffic and landmark diversit arguments). The current montage is already heavily downtown-centric, and Casa Loma helps offset that by highlighting a landmark from outside the core (at the moment, 4/7 images are downtown, 3 of which are landmarks in that narrow strech of University-Yonge... if we include the Square & Old City Hall that would push that up to 6/7 images being downtown, 5/7 being landmarks exclusively enclosed within University-Yonge/Bloor-Dundas).

I do agree with the sentiment that a better image can be found than the Humber River Bridge image, though would argue that it should be replaced with another image from outside the downtown core for the stated reason above (that the montage should be balanced in capturing the whole topic/city, and not just a small part of it). Leventio (talk) 07:32, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

If change is wanted, perhaps we can change the Humber Bay Bridge to a photo of the developed Queensway-Humber skyline (Category:The Queensway–Humber Bay) instead of making the infobox more downtown-centric. Quality images are important here, so we should chose wisely - personally not a fan of the overcast skies in the Yonge-Dundas photo. Maybe North York could also get some representation here, over Casa Loma? PascalHD (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

File:Canadian National Exhibition 2012.jpg

Canadian National Exhibition

The Old City Hall is now just a courthouse, there is already a photo in the article showing it. What about the Canadian National Exhibition, that attracts thousands of visitors? Magnolia677 (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

That would be good. Please wait for others to reply first before making the changes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:31, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

How about using this photo of Weston, Toronto and the Humber River instead of the Humber Bay Arch Bridge. That still shows the Humber River and Etobicoke but is a more appropriate image. Cyrobyte (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm fine with either suggestion (Queensway-Humber, Weston). My concern was primarily about the montage being downtown centric. Leventio (talk) 02:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

It would be nice to keep the Humber Bay Arch Bridge so that there is a little bit of geographic representation. WildComet (talk) 03:55, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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nanpx Skyline of downtown Toronto and the CN Tower nanpx Ontario Legislative Building nanpx Casa Loma nanpx Toronto Sign and City Hall nanpx Eaton Centre and Dundas Square nanpx Weston and the Humber River nanpx Scarborough Bluffs

To preserve geographic diversity, I think that we should keep Casa Loma, replace the Humber Bay Arch Bridge with Weston and the Humber River and replace the Royal Ontario Museum with Yonge-Dundas Square and the Eaton Centre. That keeps the current balance of 4 images in Downtown, 1 in Midtown Toronto, 1 in Etobicoke on the Humber River and 1 in Scarborough. In fact, this makes the diversity better because the current photos show the Ontario Legislative Building and Royal Ontario Museum, which are in close proximity to each other on the same street and because Weston is further away from downtown than the Humber Bay. Cyrobyte (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. This is much better than the original proposal for the images. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:54, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Wonky estimate

Something is wonky about the 2025 estimate for population, the link shows the estimated 2021 population as 200,000 people more than the actual 2021 census count, which is accurately provided in the infobox. How can the estimate be so wrong, and if so should we be using it? Is it a boundary discrepancy? Mattximus (talk) 00:13, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

That is indeed a great mystery. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:32, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

I already explained this in an edit summary. StatCan can never enumerate every single dwelling in a census. There are refusals and non-responses that result in an undercount. The estimate is a post-censal estimate that accounts for refusals among other things. Most if not all census subdivisions (municipalities and municipal equivalents) across Canada have undercounts and this post-censal estimate dataset produces higher counts for these most if not all census subdivisions. Hwy43 (talk) 02:30, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

See footnote 3 from the source, which states "Postcensal estimates are based on the latest census counts adjusted for census net undercoverage (including adjustment for incompletely enumerated reserves and settlements) and on the estimated population growth that occurred since that census, as calculated using fiscal data." Hwy43 (talk) 02:34, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

And the difference is 123,000, not 200,000. Ottawa's difference is 45,000. Edmonton's is 40,000. Hwy43 (talk) 02:43, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

Audio Pronunciation Example

The audio clip at the top of the page is supposed to be how the local population pronounces it. In which case it should be two syllables ('tron-no') rather than three ('tor-on-toe') Kthomasc21 (talk) 16:06, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

What do you mean by "supposed to be"?

The local pronunciation is given, but the audio clip corresponds to the more generic pronunciation:

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Just to be sure, I checked the page at the time you commented, but it's not significantly different except that the labelling is weird ("Canadian English"):

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— W.andrea (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

all audio media for pronunciations is done as per local language standards rather than global language standards Kthomasc21 (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Define local pronunciation, as its changing. Anecdotally it's becoming much more common to hear the second T as more and more of the populace was born outside Toronto. The whole Tronno drawl thing is slowly disappearing, so you'll need references either way. Canterbury Tail talk 16:37, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

I agree. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

What do you mean by "is done"? Is there some guideline you have in mind? — W.andrea (talk) 16:42, 22 April 2026 (UTC)